I spotted something fishy last night at Powerline. The President was quoted from his Portsmouth, NH town hall on health care musing about diabetes and amputations.
All I'm saying is let's take the example of something like diabetes,
one of --- a disease that's skyrocketing, partly because of obesity,
partly because it's not treated as effectively as it could be. Right
now if we paid a family -- if a family care physician works with his or
her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether
they're taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get
reimbursed a pittance.
But if that same diabetic ends up getting their foot amputated,
that's $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 -- immediately the surgeon is
reimbursed. Well, why not make sure that we're also reimbursing the
care that prevents the amputation, right? That will save us money.
(Applause.
There's so much that is fishy in these two paragraphs that I just don't know where to begin. Let's start with the reimbursement for foot amputations, which is never "immediate." Since the President was in New Hampshire, we'll use the New Hampshire rates that, for example, I might get paid as an orthopaedic surgeon.
The code for amputation through the mid-tarsal joint, or midfoot, is CPT 28800 Reimbursement? $526.75. The code for amputation through the forefoot, or trans-metatarsal, is CPT 28805, paid at $694.14. A ray amputation of one gangrenous toe, including the metatarsal, is CPT 28810, paid at $406.12. So reimbursement for a variety of foot amputations for serious diabetic infections, which can be life-threatening if left treated inadequately, range from roughly $400-$700. I only wish it was $40,000. Maybe he's thinking of the amount his trial lawyer friends might make from suing the surgeon.
Next, let's recall that that $400-$700 is not just for the surgery. No, that reimbursement is under a 90 day global. "What's that," you ask? Well, the 90 day global means that the reimbursement covers not only the surgery, but also the follow-up care, to be certain that healing occurs, for the next three months. No additional office reimbursement is paid for post-op care during that time, and most patients in this situation would require at least three visits to the office during that post-op period
So how much is a pittance? The reimbursement for a complex Level 4 visit with an established patient, the kind where diabetic counseling and monitoring might take place, is CPT 99214 reimbursed at $92.68. Preventive Care code CPT 99397 for an established patient 65 or older is a code that, unfortunately, I don't have the Medicare rate for, but I'm trying to locate it.
Personally, all of those amounts are pittances. There aren't a lot of high quality personal consultations that directly affect your well being that cost less than $100 in the private sector. And after years of training, accepting the risks of surgery, the necessary followup care, taking into account all of such a patient's co-morbid medical conditions for $400 or so is also a steal. There are software programs that cost more. And books. And gee, a European facial runs $80-$130.
The American College of Surgeons, in which I happen to be a Fellow, pointed out this disinformation as well, giving the slightly higher reimbursements for leg amputations, not foot. (Original link here.)
The American College of Surgeons is
deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues
to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States.
When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we
think he does a disservice to the American people.
8/13/09 1015: Let's not forget that Mr. Obama's wife, Michelle, didn't think $600 is all that much, either.
"You're getting $600 - what can you do with that? Not to be ungrateful
or anything, but maybe it pays down a bill, but it doesn't pay down
every bill every month," she said. "The short-term quick fix kinda
stuff sounds good, and it may even feel good that first month when you
get that check, and then you go out and you buy a pair of earrings."
But it's too much for a necessary, perhaps even life-saving, medical procedure.
8/13/09 1210: And it's the Obamateurism of the Day!
8/13/09 2150: Early this morning my partner called the AAOS, the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgery, about the factual lapses in Mr. Obama's presentation and was told that the AAOS was unaware of the controversy but would look into it. Voila, a statement has been produced. Hey, my group gets results!
Statement from the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons Regarding Comments from President Obama
The American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons (AAOS) is profoundly
disappointed with President Obama’s recent comments regarding the value
of surgery and blurring the realities of physician reimbursements. The
AAOS represents over 17,000 US board-certified orthopaedic surgeons who
provide essential services to patients every day. As President Obama
has said, “Where we do disagree, let's disagree over things that are
real, not these wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to
anything that's actually been proposed.” (my emphasis) In that spirit, we would like
to bring some clarity to his comments and underscore the value that
orthopaedic surgeons bring to Americans every day of every year.
First, surgeons are neither reimbursed by Medicare, nor any provider
for that matter, for foot amputations at rates anywhere close to
$50,000, $40,000 or even $30,000. Medicare reimbursements to physicians
for foot amputations range from approximately $700 to $1200 which
includes the follow up care the surgeon provides to the patient up to
90 days after the operation. Moreover, orthopaedic surgeons are
actively involved in the preventive care he mentions. We are a
specialty that focuses on limb preservation whenever possible and when
it is in the best interests of the patient. Our approach to amputation
follows the same careful, thoughtful approach, always with the patients
best interest as the primary focus.